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13-01-1907 Freud to Jung

13 F [Postcard]

13.The.07.

Honored colleague,

I take you at your word. You come to Vienna at Easter 1 and you let me know your dates time, so that I can arrange with patients. I hope we will express and communicate on many things ; and I am delighted with the beautiful view that I open your consent.

Your very devoted

Freud.

1. The 31 March.

08-01-1907 Jung to Freud

12 J

Burghölzli Zurich, 8. The. 1907.

Honored Professor!

I'm sorry to send now only to respond to your last letter, so friendly and detailed. In fact I am somewhat embarrassed, retrospectively, Game cache- seek with my dream. In its first version, Bleuler, to whom I showed the plan, the light was too. This was an incentive for me to welcome secondarily hide things in the interpretation, and has played the game of complex. Why I did not just put the interpretation tree trunk - penis, it has its special reasons, which relates mainly to the fact that I was not able to write impersonally my dream, which is why my wife wrote all description (!!).

No doubt you are right to advise me more "therapeutic" with opponents, but I'm still young, and occasionally it has its foibles for consideration and scientific reputation. When you are in a university clinic, we must play many respects, rather the neglect of privacy. But you can rest assured, I will never give up an essential part of your teaching, for that I am too committed.

I am now absolutely determined to come to Vienna for the next Spring Break (April), to finally enjoy the happiness long desired a personal interview with you. I have a lot to abreact.

Regarding the issue of "toxins", it is true that you have to hit a new low. Originally I wanted to omit all the matters in my "psychology". But as, given the slow pace of public mind, I dreaded misunderstandings, I did at least refer to the "toxin". I know your opinion, namely that there also sexuality should have a say. The idea to me is also quite nice that there may be a secretion "internal" causes disorders, and it may be sexual glands producing toxins that are. But I know of no evidence that. This is why I omitted this assumption. It also seems to me for the moment that the latter hypothesis is rather to consider the’epilepsy, where the complex sexual-religious is widely foreground.

With respect to your idea of ​​"paranoia", I can not see a difference in nomenclature. In the "dementia" praecox, must be careful not to think immediately to a stupor (it can also come!), but we must think of a complex delirium [Komplexdelir] with fasteners. Paranoia is built exactly like a dementia praecox, except that the setting is limited to a small number of associations, and clarity of concepts is generally, with some exceptions which, preserved. There is however everywhere fluctuating transitions to what denominates of. pr. (1). D. pr. designation is quite unfortunate! Your (2) point of view you could also refer my case to. pr. as paranoia, as was actually done before.

The case on which you kindly write me me extra- usually interested, as a parallel case to mine. Many early dementia feel the state’ "Brutalization". The delusions of grandeur and assignment are things synonymous (the last ingredient is usually female). Both indicate a component of the psyche that failed to grow in real life hitherto led, either in the erotic sphere, or in the social, perhaps in both. Sexual coldness in marriage seems to indicate that despite the love marriage something not appropriate in this man, that this one was not quite good. This is at least what we see generally in those of our cases whose history includes sexual anesthesia. Lack of love for children is the same. Generally women like the husband in children : if the husband is not suitable, children do not agree. Often, women hallu- cinent while children are killed. Often, only girls are killed, then it is sexual dissatisfaction in the mother, that the husband is too old or it is not appropriate in any other way. "Kill" means, in d. pr. also, simply deny or repress. In access to the. pr., all complexes are unresolved abréagis, a manner entirely consistent with the pattern of hysteria. Except that everything happens much more tumultuous and dangerous, and it leaves some irreparable problems in mental status and increased difficulties particularly to support and abreact affects. Later expresses blocking stronger and more general feelings, with characteristic stupidity of intelligence. Affective disorder, however, is still largely in the foreground and makes the definite diagnosis, as opposed to all other intellectual abrutissements.

I recently read with satisfaction how Löwenfeld just put definitely on your side, regarding anxiety neurosis at least. That voice in Germany has more audience than mine. Perhaps your triumph he begins earlier than we think.

I still owe you a short explanation of the term "hysteria addiction (3) », It is still an expedient. I was struck by the fact that there are hysterical living in a constant struggle with their complex, which manifest violent agitations, mood swings and a very strong alternating symptoms. From my little experience, these are cases where the prognosis is good. They have in them a component that opposes the enslavement by the pathogenic complex. However, there are other hysterical, living in peace with their symptoms, which are not only accustomed to symptom, but exploit it for various purposes of symptomatic acts and baffles, and that in inscrustent parasites in the mercy of their environment. Those are the cases with poor prognosis, who also defend with great fury against the analysis. It is the latter that I call "hysterical addiction". Perhaps you understand, From this description incomplete, what I mean. This is of course a very rough classification and superficial, but so far told me something. Maybe you can again open my eyes. An infinite hysterical uneducated (such as parasites of hospitals) are classified here.

Accept my warmest wishes for the new year and my warmest thank you! Your very devoted

Young.


1. Swiss psychiatrists then preferred the term "dementia praecox", introduit couple of Kraepelin; it is now widely replaced by "schizophrenia", due to Bleuler.

2. In the original : her (their) instead of Her (your).

3. See 6 J.

01-01-1907 Freud to Jung

11 F

1. The. 1907.

My honored colleague,

Please abandon this error quickly that your writing on dementia praecox did not extremely pleased. The simple fact that I criticized can prove. Car, if it were otherwise, I find enough for you to hide diplomacy. It would indeed be very unwise to offend you, you, using the highest that has ever been associated with me. I see reality in your essay on d. pr. contribution to my work the most important and richest is reached me, and I see among my students in Vienna, you have the advantage of probably not unique personal contact with me, in fact one that can be put on the same level as you for understanding, and no one who is able to do the same for your cause, and ready to do. I interrupted a letter should be more detailed, partly for reasons of accidental, partly because my guess, confirmed by you, the identity of the dreamer made me stop. I just thought you would have been able to meet without betraying the interpretation tree trunk penis =, and’ "Alternation1 »

career (horse . I hear you now

( Lifetime

omitted the first mention for reasons of diplomatic prudence. The only thing inaccurate, that is to say capable of arousing an inaccurate representation, seemed to be the name of the wish fulfilled in the dream, which can, as you know, be shown that once the analysis is completed, but that is for reasons of principle stating otherwise you do not write. If you let me try to influence, I would urge you not to grant resistance, you encounter, as well as me, particular importance, and such an effect on your publications. The great gentlemen of psychiatry have little importance; the future belongs to us and our designs, and youth is - probably all - strongly left for us. I realize Vienna, where colleagues, as you know, systematically observe my account dead silence and where occasionally an apprentice me destroys any; and where I still 40 listeners gathered from all faculties (2). Since Bleuler and you, and to some extent also Löwenfeld (3), I have opened a certain audience in the literature, the movement of our novelty can be stopped, despite the reluctance of authorities, destined to perish. I find therefore very appropriate that we share the duties as our character and personal circumstances, you try to mediate with your head, while I continue to play the stubborn one who is always right, and assume my contemporaries they swallow the piece not unpleasant diluted. But please, do not give anything of substance by gently teaching and kindness, and do not stray too much from me, when in reality you are so close, or we will see that we still oppose one to the other. Indeed, I believe nevertheless secretly, in the particular circumstances of the case, that most * Sincerity is the best diplomacy. I tend not to treat colleagues who are in resistance other than the patients who are in the same situation.

Of 1′ "Indistinctness" which should save quite a bit of dream work, there is much to say, too much for this can be written. Maybe your way you will it lead however in Vienna earlier in America (4) (is closer). I rejoice greatly to devote a few hours to discuss these things with you.

Many things contained in your book I have not written, because I totally agree with them; that is to say : I can not do anything without objection accepting these lights. (About my case (5), I still think it deserves the name of true paranoia.) But I had a lot of new things to learn. The problem of "choice of neurosis", you rightly say it is not at all clear by my discoveries, I was very busy during this time. I totally screwed up my first attempt at explanation, therefore I hold. I, it is true, on a certain channel, but not there yet. About your inclination to use here already toxins (6), I would love to watch you jump to a component which of course I attribute a much greater value than you at this time; you know, the + + + (7)sexuality. You dismiss the issue : I myself am not able to end it with; What wonder then that we do not know one another as? Nemo me impune lacessit (8) sounds to my ears, the time the gym.

The ancients knew what god Eros is usually inexorable.

At present my cordial greetings for the new year. Continue to work together and leave no misunderstanding between us form.

Your very devoted

Dr Freud.

Small observation was ready for you before your letter.


1. Cf. Young, "The new views Delia criminal psychology», Journal of Applied Psychology, flight. IV, No. 4, July to August 1908; [work translated into German appear in G.W., 2, where, in § 1135, an explanation of employment by Freud of the d Word’ "alternate". (Change).] (Freud did not use that term, however, these writings, This letter is the only occurrence). The "career", etc., see Dementia praecox, G.W., 3, § 13o.

2. Freud did every Thursday and Saturday classes at the University of Vienna, Cf. Jones, The, p. 375.

3. Leopold Löwenfeld {1857-1923), psychiatrist in Munich, was published in 1901 Freud writes About the dream (The dream) collection Border issues Nervous- and mental life, he was with H. Kurella editor. He also included contributions of Freud in two of his own books : "The marriage Freud psychoanalytic method" [Freud's psychoanalytic method] (ed. franç. in Technology psychoanalytical, p. 1 sq.) in The psychological coercion phenomena [Psychic phenomena obsessive], Wiesbaden, 1904, et «My views on the role of sexuality in the aetiology of the neuroses" [My opinions on the role of sexuality in the etiology of neuroses] G.W., In, in 4and edition Sex life and nervous disorders [Sexual life and disease-ner veuses], Wiesbaden, 1906.

4. The desire of the dreamer (So Jung) visit America plays, a role in dream analysis mentioned above. Cf. G.W., 3, § 124.

5. Freud, "Further remarks on the defense neuro-psychoses" ["Further comments on ¡neurotic psychoses of defense"], 1896, para-graphe III : "Analysis of a case of chronic paranoia", G.W., The, p. 392 s., Jung says the case in Dementia praecox, G.W., 3, § 62 sq.

6. See ibid., § 75, as 85 J, n. 4.

7. Recalls the three crosses drawn in chalk inside doors farmhouses, to ward off evil.

8. "No one provokes me with impunity. "It seems that this is not an ancient currency, but the motto of the Order of the Thistle Scottish, or order of St. Andrew. Cf. Ch. N. Elvin, A Handbook of Mottoes, 1860, Lon-don reprint, 1963.

* And allemand : greatest; reading adopted by edition princeps ; the German edi-tion gives coarsest : the roughest sincerity. (N.d.T.)