Jung first stay in Vienna (March 1907)

Jung made his first visit to Freud Sunday 3 March 10 am; cf. Jones, II, p. 35 (where the date is erroneously given as the 27 February), and Young, My life; sovereign souvenirs, dreams and thoughts, Paris 1966, p. 166 (2) (Young also the site visit in February). Ludwig Binswanger (cf. his book Memoirs, p. 10 sq.) and torque Young were guests of Freud; they participated in the session on Wednesday and took part in the discussion. Cf. protocols, Minutes, The, p. 144, and 23 F, n. 2. Binswanger stayed another week in Vienna; Carl and Emma Jung passed through Budapest, where they met Philipp Stein, cf. J, n. 1, and Fiume, taking a short break before returning to Abbazia Zurich. (We need this information, which is from a log Emma Jung, to M. Franz Jung.)

2. Translation Memoirs, Dreams, Thoughts of C. G. Young, recorded and edited by Aniela Jaffé, Zurich, Rascher, 1962.

16 J

Burghölzli Zurich, 26. II. 1907.

Honored Professor!

It is indeed very unfortunate that I am unable to come to Easter, and I deeply regret now come to a time that is poorly. Unfortunately it will not otherwise. I will be in Vienna on Saturday evening and I hope to introduce myself to you then Sunday morning 10 hours. I travel with my wife and one of my students ⁽¹⁾, un Nephew Binswanger d'Iena. Maybe I will be the opportunity she given you my wife and M. Binswanger. For the duration of stay in Vienna, my wife released from all obligations. Let me briefly yet you know before my departure which hotel I count down, for that you can address any communication.

With the expression of my respect, your fully dedicated

D^r Young.

15 F

21. 2. O7.

IX, Berggasse 19.

My honored colleague,

It is a disappointment to me that you can not come to Easter, because I'm usually busy 8 h - 8 h as you know. But on Sunday I'm free, and that is why I urge you to organize your presence in Vienna so that you can give me on a Sunday. It would also be great if I could meet you, a mercredi soir ⁽¹⁾, my little circle of supporters.

I agree also that you are ready, the few nights you want to spend in Vienna, to give theater, and that you will take after contrast 8 lunch hour with me and mine, and you spend the rest of the evening with me. I am very pleased to receive notice of your arrival and your consent.

With cordial greetings

your

D^r Freud.

14 J

Burghölzli Zurich, 20. II. 1907.

Honored Professor!

I can leave Zurich at the beginning of March and I would like to come then to Vienna for a few days. As my main intention is to visit, I would like if possible to fix the date of my departure as it suits you best. It is unfortunately impossible for me to come later in March or April. I would be extremely grateful to warn me briefly.

Your very devoted

Young.

13 F [Postcard]

13.The.07.

Honored colleague,

I take you at your word. You come to Vienna at Easter ¹ and you let me know your dates time, so that I can arrange with patients. I hope we will express and communicate on many things ; and I am delighted with the beautiful view that I open your consent.

Your very devoted

Freud.

1. The 31 March.

12 J

Burghölzli Zurich, 8. The. 1907.

Honored Professor!

I'm sorry to send now only to respond to your last letter, so friendly and detailed. In fact I am somewhat embarrassed, retrospectively, Game cache- seek with my dream. In its first version, Bleuler, to whom I showed the plan, the light was too. This was an incentive for me to welcome secondarily hide things in the interpretation, and has played the game of complex. Why I did not just put the interpretation tree trunk - penis, it has its special reasons, which relates mainly to the fact that I was not able to write impersonally my dream, which is why my wife wrote all description (!!).

No doubt you are right to advise me more "therapeutic" with opponents, but I'm still young, and occasionally it has its foibles for consideration and scientific reputation. When you are in a university clinic, we must play many respects, rather the neglect of privacy. But you can rest assured, I will never give up an essential part of your teaching, for that I am too committed.

I am now absolutely determined to come to Vienna for the next Spring Break (April), to finally enjoy the happiness long desired a personal interview with you. I have a lot to abreact.

Regarding the issue of "toxins", it is true that you have to hit a new low. Originally I wanted to omit all the matters in my "psychology". But as, given the slow pace of public mind, I dreaded misunderstandings, I did at least refer to the "toxin". I know your opinion, namely that there also sexuality should have a say. The idea to me is also quite nice that there may be a secretion "internal" causes disorders, and it may be sexual glands producing toxins that are. But I know of no evidence that. This is why I omitted this assumption. It also seems to me for the moment that the latter hypothesis is rather to consider the’epilepsy, where the complex sexual-religious is widely foreground.

With respect to your idea of ​​"paranoia", I can not see a difference in nomenclature. In the "dementia" praecox, must be careful not to think immediately to a stupor (it can also come!), but we must think of a complex delirium [Komplexdelir] with fasteners. Paranoia is built exactly like a dementia praecox, except that the setting is limited to a small number of associations, and clarity of concepts is generally, with some exceptions which, preserved. There is however everywhere fluctuating transitions to what denominates of. pr. (1). D. pr. designation is quite unfortunate! Your ⁽²⁾ point of view you could also refer my case to. pr. as paranoia, as was actually done before.

The case on which you kindly write me me extra- usually interested, as a parallel case to mine. Many early dementia feel the state’ "Brutalization". The delusions of grandeur and assignment are things synonymous (the last ingredient is usually female). Both indicate a component of the psyche that failed to grow in real life hitherto led, either in the erotic sphere, or in the social, perhaps in both. Sexual coldness in marriage seems to indicate that despite the love marriage something not appropriate in this man, that this one was not quite good. This is at least what we see generally in those of our cases whose history includes sexual anesthesia. Lack of love for children is the same. Generally women like the husband in children : if the husband is not suitable, children do not agree. Often, women hallu- cinent while children are killed. Often, only girls are killed, then it is sexual dissatisfaction in the mother, that the husband is too old or it is not appropriate in any other way. "Kill" means, in d. pr. also, simply deny or repress. In access to the. pr., all complexes are unresolved abréagis, a manner entirely consistent with the pattern of hysteria. Except that everything happens much more tumultuous and dangerous, and it leaves some irreparable problems in mental status and increased difficulties particularly to support and abreact affects. Later expresses blocking stronger and more general feelings, with characteristic stupidity of intelligence. Affective disorder, however, is still largely in the foreground and makes the definite diagnosis, as opposed to all other intellectual abrutissements.

I recently read with satisfaction how Löwenfeld just put definitely on your side, regarding anxiety neurosis at least. That voice in Germany has more audience than mine. Perhaps your triumph he begins earlier than we think.

I still owe you a short explanation of the term "hysteria addiction ⁽³⁾ », It is still an expedient. I was struck by the fact that there are hysterical living in a constant struggle with their complex, which manifest violent agitations, mood swings and a very strong alternating symptoms. From my little experience, these are cases where the prognosis is good. They have in them a component that opposes the enslavement by the pathogenic complex. However, there are other hysterical, living in peace with their symptoms, which are not only accustomed to symptom, but exploit it for various purposes of symptomatic acts and baffles, and that in inscrustent parasites in the mercy of their environment. Those are the cases with poor prognosis, who also defend with great fury against the analysis. It is the latter that I call "hysterical addiction". Perhaps you understand, From this description incomplete, what I mean. This is of course a very rough classification and superficial, but so far told me something. Maybe you can again open my eyes. An infinite hysterical uneducated (such as parasites of hospitals) are classified here.

Accept my warmest wishes for the new year and my warmest thank you! Your very devoted

Young.

2. In the original : her (their) instead of Her (your).

3. See 6 J.

11 F

1. The. 1907.

My honored colleague,

Please abandon this error quickly that your writing on dementia praecox did not extremely pleased. The simple fact that I criticized can prove. Car, if it were otherwise, I find enough for you to hide diplomacy. It would indeed be very unwise to offend you, you, using the highest that has ever been associated with me. I see reality in your essay on d. pr. contribution to my work the most important and richest is reached me, and I see among my students in Vienna, you have the advantage of probably not unique personal contact with me, in fact one that can be put on the same level as you for understanding, and no one who is able to do the same for your cause, and ready to do. I interrupted a letter should be more detailed, partly for reasons of accidental, partly because my guess, confirmed by you, the identity of the dreamer made me stop. I just thought you would have been able to meet without betraying the interpretation tree trunk penis =, and’ "Alternation¹ »

career (horse . I hear you now

( Lifetime

omitted the first mention for reasons of diplomatic prudence. The only thing inaccurate, that is to say capable of arousing an inaccurate representation, seemed to be the name of the wish fulfilled in the dream, which can, as you know, be shown that once the analysis is completed, but that is for reasons of principle stating otherwise you do not write. If you let me try to influence, I would urge you not to grant resistance, you encounter, as well as me, particular importance, and such an effect on your publications. The great gentlemen of psychiatry have little importance; the future belongs to us and our designs, and youth is - probably all - strongly left for us. I realize Vienna, where colleagues, as you know, systematically observe my account dead silence and where occasionally an apprentice me destroys any; and where I still 40 listeners gathered from all faculties (2). Since Bleuler and you, and to some extent also Löwenfeld ⁽³⁾, I have opened a certain audience in the literature, the movement of our novelty can be stopped, despite the reluctance of authorities, destined to perish. I find therefore very appropriate that we share the duties as our character and personal circumstances, you try to mediate with your head, while I continue to play the stubborn one who is always right, and assume my contemporaries they swallow the piece not unpleasant diluted. But please, do not give anything of substance by gently teaching and kindness, and do not stray too much from me, when in reality you are so close, or we will see that we still oppose one to the other. Indeed, I believe nevertheless secretly, in the particular circumstances of the case, that most * Sincerity is the best diplomacy. I tend not to treat colleagues who are in resistance other than the patients who are in the same situation.

Of 1′ "Indistinctness" which should save quite a bit of dream work, there is much to say, too much for this can be written. Maybe your way you will it lead however in Vienna earlier in America ⁽⁴⁾ (is closer). I rejoice greatly to devote a few hours to discuss these things with you.

Many things contained in your book I have not written, because I totally agree with them; that is to say : I can not do anything without objection accepting these lights. (About my case ⁽⁵⁾, I still think it deserves the name of true paranoia.) But I had a lot of new things to learn. The problem of "choice of neurosis", you rightly say it is not at all clear by my discoveries, I was very busy during this time. I totally screwed up my first attempt at explanation, therefore I hold. I, it is true, on a certain channel, but not there yet. About your inclination to use here already toxins ⁽⁶⁾, I would love to watch you jump to a component which of course I attribute a much greater value than you at this time; you know, the + + + ⁽⁷⁾sexuality. You dismiss the issue : I myself am not able to end it with; What wonder then that we do not know one another as? Nemo me impune lacessit (8) sounds to my ears, the time the gym.

The ancients knew what god Eros is usually inexorable.

At present my cordial greetings for the new year. Continue to work together and leave no misunderstanding between us form.

Your very devoted

D^r Freud.

Small observation was ready for you before your letter.

2. Freud did every Thursday and Saturday classes at the University of Vienna, Cf. Jones, The, p. 375.

3. Leopold Löwenfeld {1857-1923), psychiatrist in Munich, was published in 1901 Freud writes About the dream (The dream) collection Border issues Nervous- and mental life, he was with H. Kurella editor. He also included contributions of Freud in two of his own books : "The marriage Freud psychoanalytic method" [Freud's psychoanalytic method] (ed. franç. in Technology psychoanalytical, p. 1 sq.) in The psychological coercion phenomena [Psychic phenomena obsessive], Wiesbaden, 1904, et «My views on the role of sexuality in the aetiology of the neuroses" [My opinions on the role of sexuality in the etiology of neuroses] G.W., In, in 4^and edition Sex life and nervous disorders [Sexual life and disease-ner veuses], Wiesbaden, 1906.

4. The desire of the dreamer (So Jung) visit America plays, a role in dream analysis mentioned above. Cf. G.W., 3, § 124.

5. Freud, "Further remarks on the defense neuro-psychoses" ["Further comments on ¡neurotic psychoses of defense"], 1896, para-graphe III : "Analysis of a case of chronic paranoia", G.W., The, p. 392 s., Jung says the case in Dementia praecox, G.W., 3, § 62 sq.

6. See ibid., § 75, as 85 J, n. 4.

7. Recalls the three crosses drawn in chalk inside doors farmhouses, to ward off evil.

8. "No one provokes me with impunity. "It seems that this is not an ancient currency, but the motto of the Order of the Thistle Scottish, or order of St. Andrew. Cf. Ch. N. Elvin, A Handbook of Mottoes, 1860, Lon-don reprint, 1963.

* And allemand : greatest; reading adopted by edition princeps ; the German edi-tion gives coarsest : the roughest sincerity. (N.d.T.)

FREUD-JUNG 1907

9 ^J

Burghölzli Zurich, 29. XII. 1906.

Honored Professor!

I sincerely regret having caused you, just me, much trouble. I understand that you can not be satisfied with anything less than my book ⁽¹⁾, because I treat your search with too little regard. I am perfectly aware of this. My overriding principle at the time of writing was : respects to the public German scholar. If you do not bother to submit any that seven-headed monster so appetizing on a plate, it does not accept, what we've seen on countless occasions. This is why it is absolutely in the interests of the cause to heed all the elements that are likely to whet your appetite. For the time being, Unfortunately, there must be a certain reserve and a semblance of independent judgment regarding your research. This is what determined the general character of my writing. The more specific your opinions corrections are certain points that seem to me other than you. This is probably due : The. That my material is totally different from yours. I work in conditions made terribly difficult in the mentally ill generally uneducated, and more about the extremely refractory material of dementia praecox. II. My education, my community and my scientific premises are all extremely different cases of yours, III. My experience is extremely thin in front of yours, IV. As for the quantity and quality of psychoanalytic gift, it should probably also be a significant difference in your favor. A V. the lack of personal contact with you, this unfortunate gap in my education is a circumstance which must play a significant role. For these reasons, I consider the views of my book as absolutely provisional and is simply introductory. As you I am extraordinarily grateful for criticism, even if it is not very sweet to hear, because what is missing here is the opposition, I mean of course an authorized opposition. I deeply regret that your interesting letter was so soon interrupted.

You have found the weaknesses of my dream analysis ⁽²⁾. I do not know in fact much more than I have said about the material and the dream thoughts. I know perfectly the dreamer : this is me. The’ "Failure of rich marriage ⁽³⁾ "Key something essential, which is undoubtedly contained in the dream, only in a manner somewhat different from what you think. My wife ⁽⁴⁾ is rich. I firstly turned down, for various reasons, when I made my request; later I had his approval and I got married. I am happy with my wife in all respects (not only by optimism), which of course does not preclude such dreams. There is therefore no sexual failure, but a social failure. The explanation screen, "Sexual restraint", is simply, as I said, movement at hand, in the background stands an illegitimate sexual desire, which is better not to see the light of day. A defining the small rider, that awakens first in analyzing the performance of my head, is the desire of a boy (because we have two girls ⁽⁵⁾). My boss is determined because it has two boys ⁽⁶⁾. I could not find anywhere infant root. I also feel that the "package" is insufficiently clarified. But I do not know the interpretation. So, that the dream is not completely analyzed, I still thought I could use to illustrate the symbolism of dreams. It is true that the analysis and the use of his own dreams is always a tricky thing, because we always succumb again inhibitions emanating from dream, still is believed to be as objective as possible.

Regarding the notion of "indistinct (7) » *, I understand that you must appear unsympathetic to your point of view. This is a concept that does not prejudge too much, and does not seem to me not as the last word. Its advantages are as yet : The. in the psychology of Wundt ⁽⁸⁾, it mediates, and 2. it is a pictorial comparison, allowing common sense to also enter the consequences deduced from the concept. I think it illuminates simply the’ ability to move [Displacement] expression without say where or when to. Finally, we might also say representation "poor associations" instead of "indistinct". However, I prefer "indistinct". I do not know if there is an error of principle behind it. For now you are the only one to decide. But please, do not think that I tend to all price differentiate myself from you by differing opinions can. I say things as I understand it and as I think they are just. Differentiation also come too late, because the great gentlemen of psychiatry have forsaken me. Simply they read in a report that I have defended your point of view. The Aschaffenburg conference enormously raised the atmosphere against you. In the face of these considerable challenges, there is probably nothing more than the dose refracts ⁽⁹⁾ and another form of the drug.

Your fully committed

Young.

2. Üabout the psychology of dementia praecox G.W., 3, § 123-133. The dream is to § 123 : "I live like horses hoisted by thick ropes to an indefinite height. One, un fort cheval brown, which was tied in belts and transported up as a package, struck my attention, when suddenly the rope broke and the horse was thrown into the street. He must be dead. He however jumped and went galloping. I noticed that the horse was dragging behind him a heavy tree trunk and was surprised that it still moving as fast. He had apparently taken the bit in his teeth and could easily cause an accident. Then came a rider on a pony, who walked slowly in front of the runaway horse, which then also somewhat moderated its pace. However, I still feared that the horse jumped over the rider, when a carriage came, who began to move in front of the rider not, moderating the pace of the horse still packed. I thought then : Now all is well, the danger is past. »

3. Probably a quote from the letter lost Freud

4. Emma Jung, born Rauschenbach (1882-1955).

5. Agathe («Agathli»), born in 1904, a Gret («Grethli»), born in 1906.

6. Manfred Bleuler, born in 1903, psychiatrist deemed, like his father, a professor at the University of Zurich and director of the asylum Burghölzli, of 1942 at 1969. Cf. also 188 F, n. 2. Richard Bleuler (1905-1973), who studied agronomy at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich and spent most of his life in Morocco as a farmer and agronomist.

7. Cf. Young, G.W., 3, § 133-135.

8. Wilhelm Wundt (1832-1920), professor of psychology and physiology at Leipzig; his famous work in the field of experimental psychology announce the association experiments Jung.

9. "In split and repeated doses".

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30. XII. 06.

Honored colleague ⁽¹⁾, Maybe you can get something useful from the following observation, despite its brevity : I was called as a consultant physician of a woman 26 years old, which is six weeks of her first child, and whose condition has developed almost at the middle of pregnancy. The doctor, which is fairly aware of our views, reported that the woman gives as a reason for severe depression accused of having made "brutalized" (2) the habit in childhood to hold urine long, until discharge could provide him with sexual feelings. She said she continued it for a while in marriage, but have subsequently dropped (when the disease has probably begun). She found a love after long struggles in his family and an attendance of six years, loves her husband (he is an actor), but remained completely insensitive in the sex trade. The patient says here that she never thought that her husband might be the cause of his dissatisfaction, and she knows that it is only her fault. The emergence of a mood change was probably due to the expectations that were attached to the next delivery. She always claimed that she would not be able to normally a child into the world, and when forceps was necessary, she triumphed, having kept because. Child, she said quite seriously that he is hopelessly "asshole". She has repeatedly attempted suicide, not entirely without ensuring, husband and written farewell letters a deep sadness. She even ran away once, but is simply made with one of her sisters, in which she played the piano. She sometimes beat the child. Asked if she loves, it responds : yes, but it is not good.

The excited states of nature are not delusional entirely absent. One is struck by statements that make his illness cause delusions of grandeur : a state like hers is never seen, doctors can not help him and will long to understand. She argues with great penetration, is totally impervious to persuasion, says she remembers very little of his life and also the things she accuses. This is-exactly the’ "Stupidity" in his brain, she can not think clearly, not think about anything, only illness is especially clear for her. Although overall it makes an impression quite sad, there is undoubtedly a natural assignment without his speeches and gestures. The doctor said it appears to him as an actress (eye movements as I have not really seen that in paranoia).

We have previously called this masturbatory insanity, descrip-tion is quite reject. Do not hold you for a dementia praecox? The revelation of the etiology, so carefully guarded for itself in the hysteria, do you think it not interesting in this case?

We could not draw more. This is an initial case, I probably see him again in several weeks. Pardon the importunity.

Yours colleague,

D^r Freud.

2. And allemand : stupid (N.d.T.).